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Roy Z interview
18/02/2000

Interview by Eric (The Bruce Dickinson And Then Some Page).

I was a bit surprised to find out that Eddie was out of the band. Can you explain that?

Eddie and I have known each other for a long long time. We're similar in a lot of ways and also very different in a lot of things. Basically, I think it was that we've been working together so long that he wanted to start steering the ship a little bit more and it wasn't the right direction. He wanted to go really super funky and I just wanted to do what ever we do. There was that aspect of it and he just recently, before we left for the Brazilian tour, became a father and so his priorities changed around a little bit. That's basically what happened there's no bad blood. Was it pretty was it nice? No it wasn't perfect. But in the end we saw eye to eye on how we felt and we all just decided it was a good idea right now to stop playing together for a while. But it doesn't mean we won't ever play with Eddie again, it just means that right now is not a good time.

So it's just a long-term temporary thing?

Yeah exactly. I'm just trying to find chemistry and I want play with people that are A - hungry and B - I want to play with people that get along with everybody and Eddie didn’t always get along with everybody. Myself aside, we didn't always get along and it’s the kind of thing when you are not making a lot of money doing this there is no need to put up with certain things. I have nothing bad to say. Eddie is a great bass player and he's got a big heart and he's a good guy. People grow differently sometimes and it doesn't mean we won't work with him again.

Why was Richard Podolor brought on to produce three songs, when you have done all of the producing in the past?

Well I just happened to be here at this studio where we did that stuff and these two gentlemen, that worked with us, Richy (Podolor) and Bill (Cooper), they are very very good friends of mine. They are guys that I look up to. They've done some records that I've always been in awe of. When you have a good friend like that the opportunity will arise too work together and I though now is a good time because the hardest thing for me to do is play my own music and do everything else. I don't have an objective voice because most of the time, when the guys aren't around, I'm just doing it by myself that kind of freaks you out after a while. And I haven't had the success that I wanted to have over the years so, I figure I'm willing to try other things to have the success that I'd like to obtain with this band. I'm already talking to him about our new album and doing the whole new album.

You just released this one and you are on to the next one.

It's that kind of thing for us. We finished it a long time ago and it's been sitting in the can for a while and I'm already itchy. I've got a lot of things to do till I get to another Tribe record but I'm gonna try to get to a new one by the end of this year.

The three songs that Richard produced were the most radio friendly songs, was that the goal with him?

That's always his goal. He's a hit-ster. He's been associated with a lot of big, big hits. And he just naturally goes this way.

Are these three songs what you wanted him to do or he decided he would do these three?

We wrote 7 or 8 tunes in four days and then he heard all what we had and he so ok I like this one, this one and this one. That's how it was. I totally just let go of the reins all of us did. We were like hey, let's let these guys do their magic and see what they come up with.

Was that hard for you since you've been in the driver's seat?

No, no, no. You've got to understand I've got a lot of respect for people that know what they are doing. If someone knows what they're doing I have no problem. I'm not an ego maniac. I 'm not a control freak I just want results.

You want the bottom line.

Bottom line. I don't care who comes up with the idea let's just get the best. For me it's a trust thing and these people I've known for a lot of years and I trust them. It's the experience as well to be around and to learn and to watch and to see how things are done on his level is good for me. It's like going to school. I'm learning from a master. My type of music is so different from what I produce that I need to get exposed to some other things so that I can keep growing.

I find it amazing that you can produce the other bands you do and play it.

Well, that kind of music is apart of my life and it's what I started with. I started listening to those types of groups and I understand everything that makes it. And it's not phony it's apart of me. But is it me? No. No it's not the complete me. It's just apart of who I am and my growing up process. Maiden and Priest were some of my favorite bands when I was a kid and I use to go see them play. So I know the type of energy that they need to put out now when I work with the guys that I'm working with. And groups like Downset was a new thing where we just created and we took a whole bunch of different and tried to create something new with it.

I haven't had the opportunity to listen to all of your previous CD's but the new CD seems to be not as aggressive. Was this the intention with this to go in a certain direction?

When I make records now I try to make them all fit. It's really hard to do when you are someone like me who can do so many different things. Consciously trying to put out a product, whatever it is, that has a cohesive energy from the beginning to the end and yea I agree it is a little bit mellower in some areas. But what I was going for was more ambient and spacier vibe.

With Puro Party and What Cha Want there's definitely a harder edge.

It's like I said that's where we were when we did that stuff and now where we are is completely different. It will still sound like the same group but the ideas I have right now but I don't know what it's gonna sound like, we're just gonna do it. The thing is we really don't make any money at this. So its more art for us. What can we do to have a good time? What do we want to play? We don't care if it sells or doesn't sell that's not the attitude. Do we want success? Yes, we want success everybody does that's not the most important thing. The most important thing is doing what you want to do.

Was the Mercury Records deal a pretty big set back when that deal fell apart and they went belly up?

Yeah.

Did that damage your ego or your pride?

I don't know if it damaged my ego so much it was like man, this so typical for me. It was just so typically, cause basically it was my whole life there in a nutshell. I get things going and they look real good and I'm not one to count my eggs until they hatch, but it was like I couldn’t believe it but I could believe it at the same time. What that did it just broke apart my original group. One of the guys got so depressed that he reverted back to taking heroine. It created a lot of bitterness amongst the group, as to who was managing the group. And that was part of out fallout of Dean, cause he didn't like the management we had, which was Sanctuary, and I just like no dude it's not their fault s**t like this happens. It was a weird thing and you make choices in life and you just go with what you know and feel and hey it didn’t work out.

Would you consider the new CD to be make or break in the US?

Not really man. The timing is ok for us right now but we were doing it when it wasn't popular. It's popular now and tomorrow if it's not popular I'm still gonna do that facet of music. It doesn't mean that's all I'm gonna do. I'm already in my mind putting together something else outside of the Tribe and it will be a whole another thing. But I'll never stop doing Tribe records. I'll always make a record on some level. We have too much fun doing it. We all get together, we all get along, we all joke around and we just have a good time. And people that see us play it a great groove. It doesn’t matter who's in the group it just when you fuse that many good musicians together, it's magic. To answer your question, no it's not make or break. This release is coming out in the States in June and in Europe on Air Raid in Europe and Sanctuary in America. Right now we've go all of the big labels calling us and asking us for music, which is a novelty for us. That hasn't happened in a lot of years. That's why I've got to hurry up and get some more music together, cause people are interested in it. And if it's not this one that pushes us through then I want to have the next one ready to go and I want to keep working with Richie and Bill handling the sound and production and just go with that. But I've got to tell ya, the new stuff I'm writing is a lot more aggressive and it's a natural thing. It's where you are when you're doing it. Imagine an artist. An artists paints a piece of art he's not there any more a year down the road he's somewhere else, but people think that's where he is cause that's what they see. But, it's like when you're an artist your moving around just going for it.

I know there is a tour in Japan coming up. Is there a tour in the States?

I've been talking to Bruce a lot and we’ve been talking about doing a Europe tour. That looks pretty good.

As far as opening up for Bruce one day?

No, us going out with whoever we fit with and whose touring. And right now we are working on some states things. A lot of them are really far fetched and a lot of them could happen for a summer tour. So that's kind of where I'm at right now. This comes out in the summer here and in Europe and we're just gonna try to string some dates together. And I'll be done with whatever productions I'll be doing and I'll dedicate the summer and whatever part of the fall to touring and then I'll take the opportunity in the Winter to do some new Tribe and possible some Bruce stuff.

So there's a chance for an East Coast swing?

There's one tour that somebody over at Billboard is trying to help us with. There's a guy over there that gave us an article and he's just really into the group. He's got friends in high places and we've got friends in high places and it seems like we have a lot of the same friends. We're trying to get on this one major tour and if we get on that then the whole things gonna change, but that's the good thing about having the release in the states even if its small scale the distribution base is there. It's just a matter of just going out and promoting the product. And I have no problem getting in my car or van and just driving.

Do you know much music theory?

Yeah. I studied for a lot of years.

At a college level or private?

Private. I got pretty intense with it. I started transcribing these real crazy classical pieces and started seeing what made it tick. And once I did that I started doing it with Rock records. I'd take Deep Purple records, whoever I was into, and I'd dissect the whole thing. I'd learn what the drummer was doing I'd learn what the bass player was doing. The whole thing. So that's how I learn how to put things together by dissecting records. There's even some records I re-recorded.

Like what?

I can't remember but there was a bunch of stuff that I re-recorded just to see if I could replicate it.

How often do you practice?

Never.

C'mon on.

I never do man.

 I guess when you're writing is your practice?

Yeah. I just shoot from the hip. I stopped practicing 10 years ago.

Let me ask you a couple of safe Bruce questions. As far as working with Adrian how has that gone for you? Was it something you were excited about or just yea ok let's do it?

It was kind of both. You got to understand, when I was young that was the s**t even part of me now it still is the s**t and to think that they're a hot group. Playing with Adrian was cool he had a lot of ideas that were really cool.

When I interviewed Adrian, in Oct 97, he said when came to rehearse for the AOB tour he was thrown off by the down tuning a half step.

It freaked him out. After a day he wanted to go back home. I'm not kidding.

He was that disgruntled?

Yeah, just thrown off.

What was your impression of Skunkworks?

I thought it was cool.

Did you talk to Bruce a lot during that time?

Not a lot but we'd hand out together.

I read that you wanted to be a player for the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Oh yeah.

You had a heck of a fastball I guess.

Yea I could throw a ball pretty good. I was really into it. I still am a sports freak. My passion is NFL. I like basketball and I love playing baseball. I played baseball and football for a lot of years.

What guitar do you always pick up?

I have a gold top Les Paul. That's the one.

What about amps and effects?

I use Marshall amps.

What about effects?

Delay.

What about guitar influences? Can you name a few?

Oh man. Everyone under the sun.

Is there anyone who influenced you the most?

I don't know. There's so many cats.

What bands do you listen to now?

Radiohead. That's like my favorite group.

What's your favorite Radiohead CD?

O.K. Computer. That kind of helped me come up with some of the ideas that I came up with for some of the stuff I'm doing. I'm just really into that record.

Are you a big rap fan?

Oh yea I like Gangsta Rap. I like it. I think it's hilarious.

What was it like working with Jake E Lee on the Rob Rock sessions?

It was great. It was my idea. He's a great guy.

What was the experience like working with Rob Halford? Better than you thought?

It was holy.

Is there a big difference in producing him and Bruce ?

Yea. It's a whole other animal.

Are there a lot of similarities there?

Oh yea, Loads and loads.

At this time Roy had to end the interview due to his schedule. The last part of this interview I was trying to get in as many questions as possible since I knew time was running out that is why the questions jump around so much. However, the interview went great and Roy was super cool.